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Hi Nel, thank you for the great piece as always. This has been a roller coaster piece for me. With each passing paragraph, I found myself agreeing and disagreeing in multiple aspects. But I think you write it clearly : without collective will to progress together and without sacrifice, anti-imperialism is not possible. But this leads me to a specific question : to what degree is anti-imperialism needed and realistically possible?

I will put my country (Indonesia) into perspective. Does people think the government is autocratic? Absolutely. Does people in majority whish for a better state governance? Absolutely. But does people care whether it’s imperialistic in nature or not? Now this is the main question for my country. Looking at historical context and current social economic conditions, I would dare say that what people care is only their livelihood. This part is quite general as in every other parts of the world. But the varying degree of “acceptable livelihood” in Indonesia is mind boggling. You can have an office worker working in the same place, in the same city, with the same living cost, wishing for very different livelihood. I think this is the part where consumerism that is capitalized by imperialist needs to be toned down.

But does the majority of Indonesia civillians wish for more rights and responsibility in statecraft? Rights yes, responsibility definitely no. This is the reality and this is where the Chinese model is actually very fitting. Not in the context of its policy, but of it’s mindset. Domestic governance should be the priority right now for all country wishing for resisting hegemony. Whether this leads to anti-imperialism or not, I don’t think majority of Indonesian citizens care because we are in such a deep economic and welfare crisis that all we focus on right now is survival. Coincidentally, this survival is impossible without certain revolution in domestic affairs management. This is, again, where anti-imperial become relevant : resisting wealth extraction. Wealth extraction from the poor and the working class into the ruling class.

However, let’s say a new ruler rise in Indonesia that is able to relatively increase the prosperity of the majority of people. Whether this new ruler is pro US imperialism or not, most people will not care. It’s just that right now the imperialism of US is so aggressive that the people of Indonesia has opened their eyes to this fact. If another empire can tone down US’ imperialism and by doing so improve Indonesian’s livelihood, I don’t think most Indonesian care about anti-imperialism. This is just the sad but true reality in my country. In the end we are only looking for a way of state management that could improve our livelihood, which is as you mentioned, what Russia, China, and Iran is doing. Anyway, hope this could be of some information to the discussion!

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Even if I generally admire your analyses, Nel, it feels to me like you're not reading Lenin's "Imperialism..." correctly enough, maybe because you're a bit too trapped in the "campista" narrative in which the only "imperialism" is that of the consolidated hegemon, the US Empire. 110 years later the parallels with Lenin's context are striking to me and have been so for some time: the USA is Great Britain (the hyper-financiarized Empire in decline) and China is Germany (the industrial powerhouse and rising star that prefers soft-gloved imperialism such as trading with Brazil and Mexico or building the Baghdad Railroad). There are some differences but not enough not to see that the parllels are striking.

And Lenin, even if he accepted some help by Germany to migrate from Switzerland to the Baltic, had no illusions about the Central Powers being "anti-imperialist" at all, all the opposite. That's why he and comrades demanded the "sealed train", so they could remain uncontaminated from German capitalist and imperialist influence. Like him, we should keep ourselves "sealed" from any hope that Dengist (capitalist) China is our friend in the anti-imperialist struggle, much less the fight for the extremely urgent eco-socialist revolution.

As you repeatedly quote: “We only export goods, capital, and markets; we do not export revolution.” That says it all about the nature of China. There are smaller state actors like Cuba or Algeria, both emerged from socialist and anti-imperialist revolutions, which I deem respectable and credible, but no great power of that type anymore. And Algeria particularly has noticed that China is not trustworthy, going in few years from celebrating a long history of friendship with China to totally snubbing BRICS because China is selling war drones to sub-imperialist Morocco in their fight against West Sahara.

China is selfish and totally imperialist in their behavior. They're also militaristic-imperialist in some areas like the South China Sea, their support for the infamous military junta of Myanmar or the 99 years lease of a naval base in Sri Lanka, but they're mostly Bismarck-style soft-gloved imperialist. As I sometimes say: China doesn't play wéiqí (go) anymore, as Pepe Escobar claimed over a decade ago: now they play plain Monopoly, buying and selling without any grand strategy.

In fact, their grand imperialist strategy, the BRI (formerly the new Silk Road) is quite broke for lack of actual commitment to its consolidation... but that's another story.

Imperialism is ultimately not just something that powers, capitalist powers, do but the name of the game of capitalist competition for the world's resources and markets. It's thus not just something that the USA does but also everyone else to some extent or another, quite notably China. One has been doing it for a century or two, the other (unless we go to ancient history or go to the issues of Tibet and the Indian borders) only in the last decade maybe. But they both do it.

The USSR, with all their limitations, was a much better reference, especially after Stalin. Call me "revisionist" if you wish: it's better than Dengist.

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